It is always heartening to know that out there, there are some of us who really take pride in being who we are. You obviously fall into that catagory. Pride, self esteem and willingness to stand up for yourself and your community is what survival is all about.
Once we lose our pride and self esteem, we are lost. We dissappear from the face of this world. There is another saying, CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME. Too true. So lets give ourselves a helping hand pull ourselves up by our bootstrap and make ourselves count. PAY YOUR DUES.
There are some other types, I don't want to mention names, who are bent on making a buck from their own relatives and friends. Long Long time ago, when I was a vice president of the Sherpa Kyidug. I did like you mentioned, go door to door for membership dues collection. Some gave freely and others did'nt. Those who did'nt, gave the lame excuse of being in this country so temprorily, as if he was going to hop on the next plane home. Made me sick to hear it but what can you do? I tried in vain to appeal to his pride, his heritage, his children, everything under the sun. But I could'nt budge him. According to him Sherpa Kyidug belongs to only long term residents.
After all the arguments, this wonderful guy who was suppose to have gone twenty years ago, is still here enjoying our labour and our hard earned membership due fund as if he is totally entitled to it. That is the reason I volunteered to pay for anyone who spreads out his hands for the $25.00.
I would rather pay for him than argue again unecessarily. Wasting my time and effort.
That is my story in long and short. I hope everyone has changed and like you will come forward to pay his or her membership dues. Thank you Neema.
Dear Dr. Dai,
To a genuinely gentleman in need, may I, with my respect to you respond to some of the concerns you raised in this thread. They are:
1. “Before we began collecting membership dues from vast majority of people, we should do our home works first. To name few,1) having a permanent physical or a mail box address, 2)non profit org. status,3) bank account,4) elect a treasurer and executive members”
Facts: 1) There is a mailbox address for Sherpa Kyidug. 2) The currant board member is supposedly working on it. 3) There is a bank account of Sherpa Kyidug. 4) There are executive members, such as President, Vice-president, General secretary, Treasurers and the board members.
2. “Correct me if I am wrong, I am under the impression that our current kyidug is operating under the umbrella of some other organization. If so we should try to be independent"
Facts: Sherpa Kyidug is as independent as America is today.
SHOULD SHERPAKYIDUG CHARGE MEMBERSHIP DUES OR NOT?
I do agree with your views in principle, but since SHERPA KYIDUG IS A VOLUNTARY ORGANIZATION, MEMBERSHIP FEE SHOULD BE VOLUNTARY AS WELL, NOT MENDETROY. More importantly, a feeling for wanting to pay membership fee with pride must be created amongst us.
Tsewang Sherpalama
My dear Chewang Bai, paying for membership dues by each and evrey sherpa is their respect and pride for sherpa community. Willing to pay membership dues for somebody does not serve the purpose of sherpakyidug. It will be more like showing off among who have and have not. Forgive me if I offend you saying this. Your bro. Kaji
100% king is correct cuz kyidug is non-profitable org. and the member fees should not be madatory.even if some one does not like to be part of kyidug than that is their business.we have no right to tell people what to do.
I believe you are the right person to whom to ask this question. Why is it so difficult to persuade our Sherpa Community to think of Sherpa Kyidug as a tool of their own? Something to use by the whole community to accomplish some large projects, pass major resolutions, a collective strength to be used when ever and where ever we face obstructions and injustice, a central focus or headquarter for all our communication and cultural network. It is the key to our very existence. It is our IDENTITY.
Now you ask me, why it is important to pay for people who does not have pride or sense of belonging to the Kyidug? You tell me, why these people, in the first place refuses to pay the membership dues? The Kyidug needs a large membership to be a viable body. It needs a large thriving membership base to survive. Why let a few hard headed nay sayers, corrupt others just because they do not want to pay their dues. These people have neither pride not shame. These are the people who will go through the back entrance, basement entrance or the windows to avoid paying a few dollars. These are the people who will jump the turnstile at the subway to avoid paying the fare. They not only debase themselves, they want to drag every body to their level. They are the so incorrigibles that, I wish to pay for them, so they have no base to stand on. They were getting by saying
“Oh, you don’t have to pay the membership dues, nobody pays, it is not necessary to pay at all. see we have not paid for anything so far and have received everything. Only fools pay”.
If I pay for these people, they become a paying members. Even though someone paid their dues for them, they now cannot claim that their membership dues are not paid. Their names will appear on the list of paid members.
Dear Doctor, all this may sound a little strange to you, but I see no other way. Perhaps with your knowledge of human behavior will perhaps help us to solve this problem or come up with some ways of persuading these people I mentioned above.
SHERPA, that I am.
I am neither ashamed,
nor proud to be a SHERPA.
SHERPA, that I am.
is inborn out side of my choice,
without my voice.
SHERPA, that I am.
SHERPA, that I am.
my Sherpaness can not be measured,
by how well I full fill other’s expectation.
But, how honestly I live up to my own expectation.
SHERPA, that I am.
SHERPA, that I am.
I can’t take pride in my non-achievements,
I choose not to live my life with a false pride,
I have achieved nothing to be, like a Sherpa Tenjing.
Yet,
SHERPA, that I am.
SHERPA, that I am.
I need not be romanced with my identity,
I need not be rewarded for my identity,
I need not be obliged with reparation (membership) to be who I am,
SHERPA, that I am.
SHERPA, that I am.
I create value in me without creating hero and villains,
I see greatness in every one even when I have none,
I like making no pre-judgments for who is, a proud who?
SHERPA, that I am.
SHERPA, that I am.
Being a Sherpa is part of who I am, PROUD OR NOT.
Being a Sherpa is part of who I am, LIKE IT OR NOT.
Being a Sherpa is part of who I am, MEMBER OR NOT.
SHERPA, that I am.
I am neither ashamed,
nor proud to be a SHERPA.
SHERPA, that I am.
is inborn out side of my choice,
without my voice.
SHERPA, that I am, IT IS NOT YOUR CHOICE.
Tsewang Sherpalama.
Au Lhakpa,
I wish I knew all the answer to your legetimate questions, but I don't. I think many of these problems that we are facing now has to do with our deep roots back in Nepal. This is popularly called by westerners as THIRD WORLD MENTALITY. One would hope that after being in this country for so many years would change things for better. This may be true those who are educated and well informed, but will not affect those who are ignorant. Happy New Year. Dr. Kaji
To the one who is neither proud nor ashamed to be a Sherpa, I have this to say. "Listen to the song by the BOSS. PROUD TO BE AMERICAN" It also applys to your statement. Obviousely there is nothing to be ashamed of being a Sherpa. BUT BIG BUT. I AM PROUD TO BE A SHERPA even if you say that you are not.
What seperates a true Sherpa and one who is not, is not the blood that runs inside his vein, but the HOT OVERWHELMING FEELING OF LOVE felt in the place called the HEART whenever the Word SHERPA is mentioned. To make sacrifies one has to be proud of his name, his family, his tribe, his community and his country. If I am not making myself clear, I can explain.
A person who volunteers to do community service, charitable work, or any public services with intention of making profit, or to advance his political standing or for any other ulterior motives, is not called a SACRIFICE. Anyone who does all the above without seeking any reward whether in popularity or financial gain, is committing a true sacrifice.
Be Proud, Be very Proud to be a Sherpa.
As for paying the membership dues to the our Kyidug organisation, it is a means to give the member a sense of belonging, a sense of authority to speak his mind against matters he thinks is not right. It is a small tie that binds your voice to the larger voice of your community.
I am very concerned at this moment in only one particular VOICE in our community. which I had hoped would be a leading voice for the collection of memberships dues, but it is turning out to be the opposite. I have no idea what is to be gained in speaking out against the collection. But I am sure he has a good reason and would let us know soon.
Let me express my self in a simpler way.
1. I do not know of any Sherpas and I do not think there are any who is saying, “ I do not want to pay the membership as prescribed by the Kyidug” So I do not see any relevance in making membership an issue.
2. If the Elected Board Members of the Kyidug have not appealed to pay the membership fee why then is any one else making this an issue out of non-issue?
3. The idea of membership should be voluntary. In another words NO ONE, even Kyidug can force any one to pay any amount of membership unless they want to.
4. To give the notion that only those who agree to pay are “PROUD TO BE A SHERPA” and those who either disagrees or finds alternative solutions are “LESS OF A SHERPA” is uncalled for.
5. If paying membership fee is such a big deal then why not pay YOUR’S NOW!
With all due respect that is all what I am saying. WHY IS IT SO DIIFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
With all due respect to "very few of you" who are seriously involved in this serious conversation, I'd like to say that this chit-chat is going round and round. Same things over and over again. (I'm only trying to help, if I can.)
So, having been there, as some of you, as a board member of the Sherpa Kyidug, this is what I found.
1. Paying mebership dues is VERY IMPORTANT.
2. But just by paying dues, let's not bring a division between the ones who paid and ones who haven't. Can we make them all equal?
3. Let us treat ALL SHERPAS AS SHERPAS. Let's not dwell on who paid and who didn't. Division shouldn't be brought upon just becuase some don't pay. If we could only make ALL believe the way we do, it'd be a lot easier, but knowing it isn't so, let's not make this hard on ourselves.
4. Quite importantly, I didn't pay the dues because no one asked me to do so. I'm not saying I won't pay. I'd love to do my part.
5. Just like me there are many who wouldn't shy away from paying this mere $25, if only asked.
Dear All Board Directors and executive board members
I am not in the New York area but I love to be a part of Sherpa Kyidug member. I have attended Sherpa losar since 1989 until now. I am Sherpa and, I love Sherpa people. To be great role model and be brave of the Sherpa name always coming from the climbers, how much we’re educated or travel 1000 miles away from home. We still backbite and don’t like each other work.
New York has more Sherpa than else were. Sherpa there has better back around than else were. Look the Tibetan people they don’t have country to go back they came here as refuses but they build two monasteries in New York. Sherpa peoples still talk about $25.00 membership due and arguing each other.
Think and move on, look at the other communities and support each other’s, exchange ideas, build our community and be as unity. Among people who have computer degree, they talk about that subject and peoples who has medical degree they talk about medicine and learn things from each other’s. But, our Sherpa people and women’s always talk bad about others and backbite other peoples business go to parties gamble and smoke cigarette.
Do you or Are you going to teach anything for the New Generations? Are you the Honest Sherpa and better Sherpa among all of us? Do your homework. Be part of the community and educate your family members. Learn good things not bad things. Respect to your own peoples and love each other.
Thank you,
P.S Hope you’ll take this as positive common, instead Negative. I only see, what I see your discussion boards.
I reply to the message from the king. I would request the kyidug board that I take part in collection of the membership dues. I would then be able to divert all the sherpas who does not WANT to pay the membership dues to you. From my previous experience, I am certain there would be whole boatload of them. I hope and wish will you have better luck with them.
Thank you Popola, now we are talking.
1. If the Kyidug request and/or give you the permission to solicit membership fee from us I would be the first one to pay, willingly.
2. With that said, if…. Only if there in fact are some who would not want to pay PLEASE DON’T FORCE THEM: that should be respected as an individual choice, and most importantly PLEASE DON’T GIVE THE NOTION THAT THEY ARE LESSER OF SHERPA or they are NOT A PROUD SHERPA.
3. SHERPA PRIDE is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to disagree, and beside KYIDUG is a open door and one most enter on their own, not because what the society or majority will say.
Thank you again for your understanding and taking the right approach.
It is just not fair that some pay and some don't, and you expect both to be treated equally? I dont think so. Those who pays are called the members and those who don't are called the non-members. There must be a difference in treating them.
I beleive king, that you have up till now financed and organised so many functions. Why did you let those people who did not purchase tickets from you stand outside on the street in the cold? Why did you insist that they show the tickets before entering the hall to see your shows? Why not let everybody in regardless of wether they paid or not? After all, they are Nepalese like us or Sherpas like us. It shouldnt make any difference wether they buy your ticket or not. They should have been able to see your shows for free. You would say, that there were expenses that has to be covered right? So does the Kyidug. Kyidug's needs for funds are more pressing than yours. Why not let Kyidug collect its dues from all Sherpas? why only those who are willing to pay? If you keep on encouraging people not to pay, it does not help the Kyidug.
Those not willing to pay must be made to pay some other ways. ei. higher admission fees for shows as non-members, higher price for drinks, well almost anything that needs to be paid. The last item is that they should not be able to have a voice in the organisation that they have refused to support. What ever the Kyidug does, they will have no say. no critism, no informations, and no help.
Otherwise, why should I pay also?? why should I give my $25.00 if everybody is going to treated equal regardless of wether he pays or not?
No king. Every one must pay. Like I said, if he or she can not aford to pay, please let me know in this website, and I will pay for him or her. No matter who pays, it must be paid. It is one of the reasons that our Kyidug have not be able to improve even after such a long existance. I am ashamed not because I am a Sherpa, but because our Kyidug has accomplished so little compared to other Sherpa communities all over the world. Even San Francisco, its Kyidug cosists of only three Sherpa members have gone far beyond our horizon. Instead of playing catch up with the rest or the world, why not try to lead for a while. Our community is the largest Sherpa community in the world out side Nepal. AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SHOW FOR IT?????
We have over Fifteen hundred Sherpas living in or around this state, and yet we have only 300 individuals as bonafide paying members. Where are the rest???
I beleive all the previous Kyidug presidents must take the blame for not being able to unite and utilize so much man power at their dispossal.
I never said that it is fair that some pays and some don’t. Do I expect both to be treated equally? I would prefer to find a way to do so, but leave that up to the decision of the elected board members and respect their decision.
To compare between programs I, Tsewang Sherpalama organize and Kyidug’s membership fee, all I will say at this time is that the difference is Apple and Oranges, although you may argue that both are fruit.
Well Popola, Sorry If I disappointed you. Although we think differently, I will support to have your way!if it makes your day, What else can I say?
Does it matter wether color of the skin is black, blue, yellow, brown or white? This is what I was pointing out.
No matter what color, caste, creed or religion, you are still American. But if you want to destroy America, even born in this soil, then you are a traitor and unacceptable as an American and your right as an American can be revoked. So it is true being a Sherpa. Even if you are born a Sherpa, you are unacceptable as a Sherpa if your intention is to harm the Sherpa Society. To be what you want to be does not happen to be only by birth, it has to come from within you. Either you are proud to be a Sherpa or You are not proud to be Sherpa. Can you tell the difference?
Of course you can be very proud to be a Nepali. Who says you cannot? But you can also be proud to a Sherpa at the same time ca'nt you?? How can you be proud to be a Nepali and not proud to be Sherpa? or vice versa. Like I pointed out in earlier discussion you must be first of all, be proud of yourself, your family, your tribe, and your country. Its all linked. You cannot be proud of one not of the others.
CHANG PIYERA GARNE KURA HO YO.
See you at Losar for further discussion with beer in our hand. Happy Losar to you.
Have you not heard that YEH DINIYA GOL HAI. If Forest Gump ran without being stopped by the oceans. He would run back home from the opposite direction. Well. Like I said these merry go round and making little progress talks should really be done at a CHANG PARTY. Do'nt you think so?
